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Post by efmcc67 on May 19, 2017 7:08:11 GMT -5
Well, I haven't posted here in roughly 8 years, but here I go. I think that people generally agreed that this comparison makes zero sense, but I guess that I also don't understand the comparison between Narcan and AEDs. They are like apples and oranges to me. First of all, an AED literally walks you through the steps of using the device safely. You push the power button and it tells you exactly what to do step-by-step and tells you if a shock to the heart is needed. To my knowledge, there is no device that works in conjunction with Narcan that spells out instructions as specifically as an AED. Second of all, opioid overdose is not the only thing that can cause a person to become unresponsive and stop breathing. Diabetic coma and seizures (even without visible jerking motions) can present similarly, too. The police and all first responders back where I'm originally from have been trained to give Narcan to victims of possible overdose. These people have first aid training anyway and probably have more exposure to what an opioid overdose looks like, so this makes total sense to me. Hell, it's saved a close relative of mine twice now. I agree with whoever said to make such training for lay person (including librarians) voluntary. This is an excellent point. When we were making the argument to buy AEDs for the library, one of the points we made is that it's basically an idiot-proof device. I've never heard of a Narcan device.
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Post by snippet17 on May 19, 2017 7:32:29 GMT -5
This bring us back to the epi-pen question. Should those also be kept on hand wherever you go? Should librarians also be asked to learn how to administer those? Maybe a better way to handle it would be to have addicts carry Narcan on them in the same way we have people with allergies carrying epi-pens. But then addicts are notoriously unreliable, so do we want to risk putting that in their hands? AND, not to mention the cost. Epi pens are expensive. Now if it's a requirement for libraries, how long before it becomes a requirement at all large business? Now they have to write their budgets with concern to large, expensive, life saving materials, AND training for all employees to use them? Are some employees religious exempted? Most people that I know that have known food related allergies carry an epi-pen. The issue would be who is going to go through a person's bag, pocket, etc. to find one and what if the person would sue because the person trying to save said person went through their stuff. Due to DH I, always carry one, but I would never except others, too. Benadryl can work, too, but I don't know if that would be a better product for a company to have on stock. Of course it would be a lot cheaper for a company compared to an epi-pen, but I could see a lot of legal issues that may come up. I personally think epi-pens and other drugs are so expensive because pharmaceutical companies know that people will buy some of them no matter what. And of course there is the religious and whatever other reasons a person may not want to be saved like LINGERLONGER brought up. I know JW do not believe in some medical intervention. How can anyone know what a person's religion is and what type of help they are okay receiving. Now if we could just get UH like many European Countries, that would be great, but I do not see that happening before 2020.
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Post by efmcc67 on May 19, 2017 7:34:32 GMT -5
AND, not to mention the cost. Epi pens are expensive. Now if it's a requirement for libraries, how long before it becomes a requirement at all large business? Now they have to write their budgets with concern to large, expensive, life saving materials, AND training for all employees to use them? Are some employees religious exempted? Most people that I know that have known food related allergies carry an epi-pen. The issue would be who is going to go through a person's bag, pocket, etc. to find one and what if the person would sue because the person trying to save said person went through their stuff. Due to DH I, always carry one, but I would never except others, too. Benadryl can work, too, but I don't know if that would be a better product for a company to have on stock. Of course it would be a lot cheaper for a company compared to an epi-pen, but I could see a lot of legal issues that may come up. I personally think epi-pens and other drugs are so expensive because pharmaceutical companies know that people will buy some of them no matter what. And of course there is the religious and whatever other reasons a person may not want to be saved like LINGERLONGER brought up. I know JW do not believe in some medical intervention. How can anyone know what a person's religion is and what type of help they are okay receiving. Now if we could just get UH like many European Countries, that would be great, but I do not see that happening before 2020.And that's optimistic
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Post by LINGERLONGER on May 19, 2017 7:40:06 GMT -5
AND, not to mention the cost. Epi pens are expensive. Now if it's a requirement for libraries, how long before it becomes a requirement at all large business? Now they have to write their budgets with concern to large, expensive, life saving materials, AND training for all employees to use them? Are some employees religious exempted? Most people that I know that have known food related allergies carry an epi-pen. The issue would be who is going to go through a person's bag, pocket, etc. to find one and what if the person would sue because the person trying to save said person went through their stuff. Due to DH I, always carry one, but I would never except others, too. Benadryl can work, too, but I don't know if that would be a better product for a company to have on stock. Of course it would be a lot cheaper for a company compared to an epi-pen, but I could see a lot of legal issues that may come up. I personally think epi-pens and other drugs are so expensive because pharmaceutical companies know that people will buy some of them no matter what. And of course there is the religious and whatever other reasons a person may not want to be saved like LINGERLONGER brought up. I know JW do not believe in some medical intervention. How can anyone know what a person's religion is and what type of help they are okay receiving. Now if we could just get UH like many European Countries, that would be great, but I do not see that happening before 2020. My state is trying to pass Single Payer. The goddamn cavemen in my area are freaking out because they shouldn't have to pay for lazy people to get treatment. Lololololololol. It's more likely to pass than not, though, thanks to the Democrats.
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Post by snippet17 on May 19, 2017 8:32:47 GMT -5
Most people that I know that have known food related allergies carry an epi-pen. The issue would be who is going to go through a person's bag, pocket, etc. to find one and what if the person would sue because the person trying to save said person went through their stuff. Due to DH I, always carry one, but I would never except others, too. Benadryl can work, too, but I don't know if that would be a better product for a company to have on stock. Of course it would be a lot cheaper for a company compared to an epi-pen, but I could see a lot of legal issues that may come up. I personally think epi-pens and other drugs are so expensive because pharmaceutical companies know that people will buy some of them no matter what. And of course there is the religious and whatever other reasons a person may not want to be saved like LINGERLONGER brought up. I know JW do not believe in some medical intervention. How can anyone know what a person's religion is and what type of help they are okay receiving. Now if we could just get UH like many European Countries, that would be great, but I do not see that happening before 2020.And that's optimistic I know. There are so many things I would love to see the government do, but I know it won't happen. It is sad that I feel like The Rock becoming president would not be the worse thing that could happen to this country. Not saying I'd vote for the Rock, but right now I don't see how there can be a candidate that I wouldn't prefer over Trump and Pence.
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Post by sunshine on May 19, 2017 8:57:16 GMT -5
And that's optimistic I know. There are so many things I would love to see the government do, but I know it won't happen. It is sad that I feel like The Rock becoming president would not be the worse thing that could happen to this country. Not saying I'd vote for the Rock, but right now I don't see how there can be a candidate that I wouldn't prefer over Trump and Pence. At least I trust the morality and conscience of The Rock.
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Post by daub23 on May 19, 2017 9:18:00 GMT -5
I know. There are so many things I would love to see the government do, but I know it won't happen. It is sad that I feel like The Rock becoming president would not be the worse thing that could happen to this country. Not saying I'd vote for the Rock, but right now I don't see how there can be a candidate that I wouldn't prefer over Trump and Pence. At least I trust the morality and conscience of The Rock. I can only hope he runs on the tagline "Can you smell what The Rock is cooking?"
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Post by sunshine on May 19, 2017 9:34:33 GMT -5
At least I trust the morality and conscience of The Rock. I can only hope he runs on the tagline "Can you smell what The Rock is cooking?"
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Post by LINGERLONGER on May 19, 2017 9:38:42 GMT -5
At least I trust the morality and conscience of The Rock. I can only hope he runs on the tagline "Can you smell what The Rock is cooking?" If he does I will have no choice but to vote for him.
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Post by efmcc67 on May 19, 2017 10:21:41 GMT -5
At least I trust the morality and conscience of The Rock. I can only hope he runs on the tagline "Can you smell what The Rock is cooking?" It's got to smell better than what's currently wafting out of Washington.
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Post by nashvillelove on May 19, 2017 10:25:53 GMT -5
That's awesome your state is trying to pass that LINGERLONGER. How do people not realize that the country is better off as a whole if everyone has the chance to be healthy and get medical treatment?? And if it came down Trump vs the Rock, I wouldn't think twice about voting for The Rock.
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